tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post4793487735891771639..comments2022-06-29T22:45:52.995-07:00Comments on Media Rants & Reflections IV: "Hey!, Hey! You! You!" - The Case of Avril LavigneMr. A. Puleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11948801167912250746noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-24613748673843847132009-03-08T14:47:00.000-07:002009-03-08T14:47:00.000-07:00I was just listening to the parts for the Coldplay...I was just listening to the parts for the Coldplay and Joe Satriani case, and I would have to say that yes the guitar of Joe Satriani's song does sound almost the same as the Coldplay song. There may be no lyrics to Satriani's song, but when you listen to the guiatr it follows the same line as in Coldplay's song, the only diffrence is cold play used works and Satriani's dosn't.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564921538922044442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-1429804789558412382009-03-07T20:18:00.000-08:002009-03-07T20:18:00.000-08:00i didn't mean it in an ignorant way at all, I just...i didn't mean it in an ignorant way at all, I just meant for the musically incapable like myself, its hard to hear these types of things.haymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716488481450883609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-90734091692645754612009-03-07T09:15:00.000-08:002009-03-07T09:15:00.000-08:00In response to Hayman's "people unable to hear the...In response to Hayman's "people unable to hear the exact thing that the songs have in common" comment regarding the Satriani/Colplay case, I think it's quite obvious what they have in common. The guitar melody in the chorus of Satriani's song is basically identical to the vocals in the verse of "Viva...". Look past the fact that one is played by guitar and the other is sung with words. It was kind of an ignorant thing to say because if "no one" can hear the similarities as you say, he wouldn't have even brought up a lawsuit. If "no one" can hear it, what could he argue? He would have no evidence and no support and it would have been a waste of time to file a lawsuit!<BR/><BR/>And Rionok, Satriani is not just a guitar player, he's an amazing guitar player. The way you say he is "basically just a guitar player" is rather smug because he's not "basically a guitar player". He plays at a level that most people can only dream of achieving. He basically sings through his instrument and it takes an amazing amount of talent to play like that. He also sings with his voice too, just watch G3 and you'll see. <BR/><BR/>Satriani is a musician's musician and it bugs me when people assume that he isn't as big as Coldplay just because they might not know who he is. Satriani is just as accomplished within his niche as Coldplay is in theirs. Yes, Satriani is not as mainstream because most people can't listen to him, but to totally dismiss him being of any value because he is not mainstream... that isn't fair. Satriani has just as much of a claim to that melody as Coldplay, even if he doesn't have these "top 40" singles that seem to be of the top most importance to some people.dylanthebassisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06875454035026531454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-73198053768869989832009-03-06T21:12:00.000-08:002009-03-06T21:12:00.000-08:00good point ken, but i didn't quite understand the ...good point ken, but i didn't quite understand the whole last sentance, about the reft and such, what the hell is a reft? just so I can acknowledge your whole opinion.Mohawk Media Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799756848979943601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-36936439836435384792009-03-06T21:01:00.000-08:002009-03-06T21:01:00.000-08:00well this is funny when the chat is due everyone i...well this is funny when the chat is due everyone is on. to comment for the sake of commenting that copywrighting is wrong period but sampling is ok in my eye so to those people who disagree too bad my opinion and i'm sticking with it. The only reason that some people copywright is that there lazy and can't make up there own songs and so they start stealing and sooner or later get suwed from the original song wrighter or reft that they decided to use for there song.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451122641677367916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-25808469897441662372009-03-06T20:56:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:56:00.000-08:00The other thing about Coldplay is that I find they...The other thing about Coldplay is that I find they typically appeal to an older age frame than us teens. So, the people who have heard their song, have also most likely heard Joe Satriani's as well, and if you haven't seen a drop in Coldplay's sales yet, I doubt we will.haymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716488481450883609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-46845362285059023232009-03-06T20:53:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:53:00.000-08:00i agree, despite my hate for Coldplay, alot of peo...i agree, despite my hate for Coldplay, alot of people like them for what they did before that song, and when they make more new stuff, that isn't copied or whatever, their loyal fans will just pretty much forget about the whole lawsuit with Joe Satriani, because Coldplay is the type of band, that can continue to make music that people like, and they will continue to do good in the music business because of it.Mohawk Media Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799756848979943601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-72345377089625193982009-03-06T20:48:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:48:00.000-08:00**that, so i cannot spell, it's official**that, so i cannot spell, it's officialhaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716488481450883609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-67405768582408024882009-03-06T20:41:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:41:00.000-08:00On another note, to rionok's comment on the viva l...On another note, to rionok's comment on the viva la vida case, I strongly believe that that case is a dead one, because not only are people unable to hear the exact thing taht the songs have in common, Coldplay has come out with enough chart topping singles to have one accusation against them break their career. Don't you agree?haymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716488481450883609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-5914073648557912162009-03-06T20:40:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:40:00.000-08:00To be honest, I can't stand Coldplay, so I've neve...To be honest, I can't stand Coldplay, so I've never listened to Viva La Vida, and I couldn't care less about Joe Satriani's song. But I have heard alot about the case, and i agree with your opinions on Coldplay not seeing much of the cash comign from the song. <BR/><BR/>Another topic I felt was nessesary to discuss was Killswitch Engage doing a "Cover" of Dio's song, Holy Diver. I know when people say a cover is practically paying the origonal artist of the song, or it is said to be "paying" respect to a once great band. I personally love the band Killswitch Engage, but I did some research on the song when they put their sort of, hardcore/metal twist on the song, they didn't get the permission of Dio to use the song as their own, and now they are making all sorts of money off of a song that isn't their. It's kind of bullshit. They are making money, off of Dio's song Holy Diver, Which the origonal was a great song.Mohawk Media Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799756848979943601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-28930673734692233552009-03-06T20:37:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:37:00.000-08:00Mowhawk Media Blog, I think what you said about it...Mowhawk Media Blog, I think what you said about it no longer being about the celebrities work, but being about the money is COMPLETELY true. Celebrities will now-a-days do anything to get their name heard, which is maybe what Avril was trying to do with copying a late, famous song. This was obviously going to draw in all kinds of money because when word spreads that it sounds like a famous single your parents may have heard, its going to draw everyone in wanting to listen to it at least once, earning the celebrity the big bucks. Doing such a foolsih act will also help get your name back in the media all over the magazine covers. <BR/><BR/>The funny thing is that in a magazine article Avril stated that she doesn't like to be the talk of the town, and tries to keep her name out of the papers, because apparently she has better things to do with her life. Unfortunately this was proven a lie, and it is now said that Avril clearly will do anything for the money from posing half nude on the covers of these magazines, to stealing songs. Talk about gaining a bad rep. <BR/><BR/>In conclusion, if you don't want to be on the covers, and it isn't all about the money for you, stop posing on the covers of such magazines as Maxim, Lucky and Sugar, and start focusing on creating some more original material.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.hollyscoop.com/avril-lavigne/avril-lavigne-bashes-on-britneyagain_11176.aspxhaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15716488481450883609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-15686233379063943722009-03-06T20:24:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:24:00.000-08:00I think everything to be said about Girlfriend and...I think everything to be said about Girlfriend and Peaches has been said and in so this conversation is dead unless we bring in a new topic that concerns plagerizing but is much more recent and controversial such as the case with Coldplay and Joe Satriani. This is still fresh in our minds and still raging on unlike the Girlfirend case which is long gone.<BR/><BR/>Coldplay in my opinion has no argument agaisnt Satriani because the songs are( as said before) MUCH more complex than girlfriend and basically everyone I know who has heard of Coldplay has heard of Joe Satriani. There are no lyrics to Satriani's version because Satriani is basically just a guitar player.<BR/><BR/>Coldplay's Viva La Vida may be one of the top songs ever but in my opinion with this case they will not be seeing much of the cash flow coming from it.David Koniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05896501840729017888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-72899679612625784162009-03-06T20:22:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:22:00.000-08:00and by went again, i meant went against, in my sec...and by went again, i meant went against, in my second paragraph.Mohawk Media Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799756848979943601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-58492648760476179472009-03-06T20:21:00.000-08:002009-03-06T20:21:00.000-08:00I agree with the whole its about the money and not...I agree with the whole its about the money and not just the music anymore. It just shows how selfish the music industry can get these days. Doesn't anybody care about fans anymore? I certainly know that if i were in a band or if i were a musical "artist" i would care about having fans, because thats where the money comes from.<BR/>...<BR/>i think i just went again my whole starting opinion. But fans should make musicians want to create their own music, in my opinion if my favorite band or artist copyrighted a song i wouldn't be too pleased because it makes me feel that they can't write their own stuff anymore to they have to resort to sampling and copyrighting. <BR/><BR/>The whole deal with the Rubinoos and Avril, i personally think that she probably has heard their song and maybe she did get her line, "Hey Hey You You" from them, but maybe she's jsut the really good artist that everyone said she was before all the lawsuits.<BR/>Not Guilty!Mohawk Media Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00799756848979943601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-78094694190083150272009-03-06T19:24:00.000-08:002009-03-06T19:24:00.000-08:00As said before, she probably heard it at some poin...As said before, she probably heard it at some point in her life. Even so, if she did admit to it, it definitely wasn’t a very smart move on her part. How many people have you heard of that plagiarized, in school or otherwise, denied ever copying something then later stated “Actually, I may have caught a glimpse of that essay online at some point.” It doesn’t make any sense. But she's off the hook anyway, without even a slap on the wrist. It’s just another example of things that celebrities can get away with. Now after saying that, you have to note the fact that Avril is one of the celebrities who have actually settled down a bit and is now married. Sure she has been charged with plagiarism, but you have never heard of her shaving her hair off or getting in a car crash with cocaine up her nose. You have to give her the benefit of the doubt there. <BR/><BR/><BR/>On the issue of her plagiarizing Peaches, it’s true that one part is very similar to a part of Avril’s song. However, Peaches’ song has the same beat throughout the entirety of the song except about 20 seconds approximately between 2:15-2:35 and a bit of the end. Whereas Avril’s song only has the beginning of her 3 minute song that is similar. The beats aren’t exactly the same either. Only the voice matches really. Plus, the lyrics are completely different (although the jury is still out on which song has the weirder lyrics in that part). I think Peaches is blowing it way out of proportion. Avril is way more popular, they saw the Rubinoos get more publicity, heard something that sounded similar to their own song and accused Avril. It could be just a way to get more popular. It will probably work too. It’s never about the music anymore, it’s about the money.$å®åhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09697354702078025468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-47072404064045549172009-03-06T16:52:00.000-08:002009-03-06T16:52:00.000-08:00She is already a nonsuccessful person in life, her...She is already a nonsuccessful person in life, her vocation(just like lindsey lohan's) is ancient history... yet to me it actually never had a beginning.Dark Chalklatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02760982951608620791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-21572718173155001422009-03-06T16:04:00.000-08:002009-03-06T16:04:00.000-08:00Steve_afro you are 100% right on the whole favorit...Steve_afro you are 100% right on the whole favorite artists of peaches for Avril.. I read that aswell. I think she is a hypocrite that she forgot she had said that, and now playing dumb. She won't confess up to it because she would definately be ruined. And let her fans down.YoursTrulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314890509259266233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-80165498709163580342009-03-06T15:51:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:51:00.000-08:00oooooooooh and im too lazy to see if anyone has sa...oooooooooh and im too lazy to see if anyone has said anything about her commercial with the camera lol, The whole advertisement was about her music aswell as the camera.. like " buy this camera and oh ya! listen to my song while you are at it! If her fans knew she blew off a song, would they buy that camera? Ever since i compared the two songs i have the Rubinoos song stuck in my head and not Avrils... Avril is all about the money now, she probably changed because no one thought her skater look was that attractive anymore so therefore didn't listen to her "songs"YoursTrulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314890509259266233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-2577494012287013472009-03-06T15:45:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:45:00.000-08:00I agree Luu.who, she could of stole the song not k...I agree Luu.who, she could of stole the song not knowing at all.. I think ever since she has become "blonde" andd actually wears pink now she has changed her whole image..And so maybe she felt as though she couldn't come up with anything fresh, and decided to remake a song into her own style. I am still unsure if she knew that song was already out there. Even the rubinoos said they could be wrong.YoursTrulyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16314890509259266233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-75212323366981904392009-03-06T15:03:00.000-08:002009-03-06T15:03:00.000-08:00Well, I just can't really believe that she would c...Well, I just can't really believe that she would confess to such a crime, especially after my research showed that the Rubinoos had already excused her of the crime (one of my previous comments). So basically, they let her off of the hook, but Ken suggests that she ended up confessing after she won her denial. That is completely illogical. She must not be the brightest of musicians.Stevey09https://www.blogger.com/profile/05591582893147050966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-69298612886735515392009-03-06T13:52:00.000-08:002009-03-06T13:52:00.000-08:00To steve_afro, I think Ken meant she admitted to h...To steve_afro, I think Ken meant she admitted to hearing the Rubinoos song on television..but earlier than that she mentioned never hearing the song at all. So she contradicted herself. I think that's what he meant, but I could be wrong.Luu.Whohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13556896613906442033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-32710776816898578852009-03-06T13:42:00.000-08:002009-03-06T13:42:00.000-08:00At first glance, you would assume that miss Avril ...At first glance, you would assume that miss Avril Lavigne did take some of the Rubinoo's song intentionally. On listening to what she had to say about this situation, I have come to the conclusion that she may have subconciously taken a part of the Rubinoos hit and not even realized it at all. These four words are very common, and someone could mistakingly use them in their song without the knowledge that someone else used these words before them. Maybe Avril Lavigne had heard this song a while back and then it crept back into her mind while she was writing "Girlfriend." But then again, I contradict myself in saying this because I personally believe that someone working in the studio with her must've caught on. I think that someone should've caught on to the fact that this was very similar to the Rubinoo's song. I'm on the fence on this one, but I think am leaning more to the side of Avril Lavigne being innocent. But all in all, Avril Lavigne will have her fans behind her 100 percent.Luu.Whohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13556896613906442033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-82873955297387192132009-03-06T13:18:00.000-08:002009-03-06T13:18:00.000-08:00Avril admitted stealing it on television?Avril admitted stealing it on television?Stevey09https://www.blogger.com/profile/05591582893147050966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-60256587781276302082009-03-05T20:30:00.000-08:002009-03-05T20:30:00.000-08:00In my opinion Avril is just a lazy singer that whe...In my opinion Avril is just a lazy singer that when she hears a song she wants to make her own version of it. Avril did it with Girlfriend<BR/>from the rubinoos and I'm the Kinda from the peaches and called it I don't have to try. Really i think that was a idiotic move of her stealing a song that both groups worked hard on and Avril comes out of nowhere and steals their songs and better yet Avril admitted not hearing the rubinoos' version of Girlfriend and later admitteded it on Televsion of course I bet she was drunk. In the end I agree with Steve_afro no matter what happens as long as she has has fans she will never die down. I probably bet in the mere future Avril will still steal songs for her albums and will still never die down because her fans will support her until the end.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451122641677367916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-822900223330749292.post-81150617155154093482009-03-05T18:44:00.000-08:002009-03-05T18:44:00.000-08:00After he gave me permission, I played the link dis...After he gave me permission, I played the link displayed above.**<BR/>Fourth paragraph. Second sentence.<BR/>I missed the comma.Stevey09https://www.blogger.com/profile/05591582893147050966noreply@blogger.com